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Mackie on 01-Jul-10 03:28:12
Anybody have recollections of the bombing raids in Dundee. When was the first Air Raid? Were most of the Air Raids at night or during the day? Which places in Dundee were bombed? Any casualties? Mackie

Tattie Houker on 02-Jul-10 13:40:59

I can remember of only one or two places being bombed. The Baxter Park and Rosefield street.

BUt that was my memory as a wee laddie.

There were a number of hits but it seems that Dundee was a secondry target to Clydeside.
A good book which lists them all is " THIS DANGEROUS MENACE,    Dundee and the River Tay at War" Mainstream Publishing.

There was also straffing raids. Saw one of these.

Spanky on 02-Jul-10 14:46:07

"Where the Bombs Fell"

http://www.caledonius.co.uk/brechin/Page50.html

23 high explosive bombs on one house - a tad bit of overkill imho.

wee davie on 03-Jul-10 20:18:12

Dundee got off relatively lightly during the war with really only one bombing raid to speak of, in November 1940, when a plane returning from the blitz on Clydeside jettisoned its load over the City.

The bomb that did the most damage took out a tenement in Rosefield Street, killing one person, and blew out all the windows in Logie School; another just missed the Forest Park Cinema and hit a generating station next door.

The audience stood up, dusted themselves off, then sat down to watch the rest of the movie. Seats at the Forry cost 2d and 4d each in those days so were not to be given up lightly.

Logie was closed for a about a year so the pupils were grateful to Hitler for an unexpected holiday.   I was going to the Blackie but all of the primary schools had been taken over to by the Government to provide accomodation for the Free Polish Army which was stationed in Dundee at the time so we had no school to go to anyway.

However, the gap in the tenement buildings in Rosefield Street was left in a state of disrepair for years and provided a marvelous adventure playground for the neighbourhood kids. It was known as the "bombies".

It was widely believed that Hitler had a soft spot for Dundee because;

1. The City's voters had kicked Churchill out of office back in the 20's.

2. Hitler's grannie was buried in the Howff.

I don't know how true that was but the "boys of the marmalade" had it soft compared to Glasgow and Coventry.         


kirrie kiwi on 04-Jul-10 06:00:47

First air raid on UK was in oct 1939 when the German air force tried to sink British ships in the Forth.
We also had no schools to go to as they were also billets for the Polish Army we had an officer as a billet in our house for a while,as for going to school we only went for half a day and used the church halls as classrooms,one week we went in the mornings next week the afternoons. The war was a big adventure for us kids not really knowing the seriousness of it .kk

Tattie Houker on 04-Jul-10 12:02:15

Hi KK, have read that the first bomb to fall on UK in WWll fell on Shetland.

And that the first German plane was shot down by Sqd 606 City of Glasgow.( How ever also heard the clain it was Sqd 609 some where else ).

Spanky on 04-Jul-10 13:02:34

From the link above:

1940

28 Jun : Leyshade Farm, Tealing - 2 H.E.    Balbinny Farm Arbirlot - 2 H.E.

03 Jul : East Braikie, Kinnell - 3 H.E.

17 Jul : Montrose - 16 H.E.

23 Jul : Montrose 1 H.E.

02 Aug : Linlathen House - 23 H.E.    Broughty Ferry-Forfar Road near Kellas - 4 H.E.   East Pitkerro, Broughty Ferry-Forfar Road - 8 I.B.    Dundee (Linlathen) - 23 H.E.

03 Aug : Tealing - 4 H.E.

04 Aug : Newmill of Craigeassie - 4 H.E.    Miltonbank, Tannadice - 7 H.E.

15 Aug : Montrose - 2 H.E.    Montrose - 1 H.E.    The Links, Barry - 1 H.E.    Fauldiehill, Carnoustie - German plane brought down

25 Aug : Montrose - 15 H.E.s    Kirkton of Craig, Montrose - 3 H.E.    Balkeillie - 5 H.E.

28 Aug : Monifieth - 8 H.E.    Monifieth - 1 I.B.    Hillside Farm, Forfar (Balmashanner) - 2 H.E.    Bogardo - 1 H.E.    Near Edzell - 2 H.E.    Auchenblae - 1 H.E. (this not reported in original article)

25 Sep : Dundee (Dalkeith Road and Kingsway) - 2 H.E.

02 Oct : Asylum, Hillside, Montrose - 5 H.E.

11 Oct : Bank of Arbirlot - 90 I.B.    Kirkton, Inverkeilor - 4 H.E.    Mains of Kelly, Arbroath - 3 H.E.    West Scryne - 2 H.E.

14 Oct : Small Holdings, Tealing - 1 H.E.

16 Oct : Crudie, Arbirlot - 4 H.E.    Burgh of Arbroath - 4 H.E.

25 Oct : Train machine-gunned near Montrose    Montrose - 20 H.E.    Montrose Burgh - 22 H.E.    Balfour and Chapelton, Menmuir - 1 H.E.   Arbroath - 8 H.E.    Nazis claim Dundee bombed (no bombs dropped)

31 Oct : Bell Rock machine-gunned

04 Nov : Whitefield Farm, Strathmartine - 1 H.E.    Dundee (Baxter Park and Arbroath Road) - 3 H.E.

05 Nov : Philiphie Farm, Airlie - 3 H.E.    Grange of Airlie 1 H.E.    Milton of Ruthven - 4 H.E.    Hayston Hill, Glamis - 1 H.E.    Knockenny, Glamis - 1 H.E.    Dundee (Farington St., Fernbrae, Briarwood Tee, Rosefield St., Forest Park) - 8 H.E.

19 Nov : Off Auchmithie - 1 H.E.

1941

12 Feb : Junkers 88 plane down at Pitairlie - 5 killed

19 Feb : Manse, Lunan - 4 H.E.

11 Mar : Heinkel shot down off Tay

16 Mar : Huntingfauld, Tealing - 6 H.E.

30 Mar : Bell Rock machine-gunned

08 Apr : Carlungie Farm - 4 H.E.    Baldovan House - 1 H.E.

17 Apr : Arbroath 1 H.E.

10 May : S.E. Fullerton, Meigle - 1 H.E.

16 May : Montrose -3 H.E.

27 May - Montrose Burgh - 2 H.E.

27 June - Arbirlot - 2 H.E.

16 Aug : Arbroath - 2 H.E.    Rossie Island, Montrose - 2 H.E.

03 Oct : Balfour Hill, Menmuir - 4 H.E.

02 Nov : Mains, Wellbank, Monifieth - 1 H.E.    Linlathen Farm, Monifieth - 1 H.E.    Blairfield, Liff, and Benvie - 1 H.E.    Linlathen Housing Scheme, Glenconner Drive, Dundee - 1 H.E.

09 Nov : Off Montrose - 6 H.E.

08 Dec : Lunan Bay - 4 H.E.

1944

22 Apr : Dundee machine-gunned

Jock on 04-Jul-10 21:24:54

Wee Davie, I must say I got a chuckle out of "Hitler's grannie buried in the Howff"
Still laughing thinking about that.
Cheers, Jock.

Barney Boko(II) on 05-Jul-10 13:03:26

One we had locally was Dundee was spared because Lord Haw Haw's sister was a broker in Watson St. A lady of the name Ms Joyce.

I remember the Baxter Park bomb well. The morning after the raid we were up there admiring the crater.

HMS Activity (aircraft carrier) was fitting out at the Caledon and was considered to be a target of the day.

The first one referred to, the Rosyth raid, 1939, the pilot of the spitfire from Glasgow (he was actually a farmer, they were airforce auxiliarys) actually ended up C.O. in Tealing a couple of years later, I spent a brief time in Tealing with the air cadets.

:)

Tattie Houker on 05-Jul-10 13:45:23

Spankey,

WRT your April 22    entry about Dundee being Machine Gunned If you visit Dundee Forum you will see a photo of Victoria road Cinema almost from My grand mothers bedroom window. ( actuall its from a house about No 55 she lived in 49. ) But thats where some of the bullets landed. Just as my grand father was getting of the Tram.
He picked up one of the bullets.

kirrie kiwi on 06-Jul-10 08:42:22

Check this link
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewcrummy/2901308705/
photo of first air raid 16th October 1939.kk

kirrie kiwi on 06-Jul-10 08:54:19

Tattie Houker you could be correct as the bombs on 16th Oct fell into the Firth of Forth not on land. I got my info by googling first air on uk second world war kk

Barney Boko(II) on 06-Jul-10 12:58:33

The raid, KK, was intended attack on Rosyth dockyard and warships in there. The bombs certainly ended up in thhe Firth. The auxiliary air force at Edinburgh were the first to 'scramble'and were the first to attack the huns. That's according to reports I read a long time ago.

:)

three craws on 08-Jul-10 11:09:41

Too young to remember any bombing raids but my mum still has Anderson shelter in her back garden in Haywood Place. Wher else in Dundee still has these shelters?

Tattie Houker on 08-Jul-10 14:43:37

would expect some to be in Linlathen which got one per familly.

Saw one section of one going down Alexander street steps ( to Dens ) one winter after the war.

Great fun. but the last run went out onto Dens and was traped under a tram.

Had to jack up tram to get folded sheet out of track. Luckilly no one hurt.

Spanky on 08-Jul-10 15:07:38

My grandfather erected two on Pitkerro Drive, one for himself - the rest of the family was evacuated to Stonehaven initially, the 2nd one for another WW1 veteran who had lost his arm or leg during the war.

When my father returned from Stonehaven they stayed in it for a few nights but he said it was full of water & mosquitoes so they ended up in the house anyway.

Doon the Toon on 08-Jul-10 20:05:59

Hi three craws.

I've got a nagging memory of seeing Anderson Shelters (or similar) in the back gardens of prefabs but I can't recall exactly where.
May have been where my uncle lived at the bottom of Strips of Craigie Road, or could have been Blackshade.


Onnyhoo, you may find these links of interest:-

http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/interesting/prefabs/prefabs.htm

http://www.revue.com/carte_blanche/elisabeth_blanchet/index_us.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/sites/cardiff_aberdulaisroad/pages/gerald_nash.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1544793.stm

http://www.kimthew.com/timesldn.html

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three craws on 09-Jul-10 11:40:19

Thanks 4 sharing Doon,

My gran also had an anderson shelter in her prefab which was between what Montgomerie Ave and Kingsway.

Check this URL on construction

http://www.fortunecity.co.uk/meltingpot/oxford/330/shel/shel2.html

Spanky on 10-Jul-10 21:23:51

Spitfire battle scene carved in field:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1293420/Spitfire-fight-scene-carved-lawnmower-10-acre-field-amazing-tribute-Battle-Britain-bravery.html

Doon the Toon on 11-Jul-10 08:32:29

More on the the first sorties over British soil..
There's quite a detailed article in today's Sunday Herald. Here are some snippets:-

[quote]
How the Battle of Britain started with the Battle of Scotland
By Trevor Royle

11 Jul 2010

Luftwaffe pilots dubbed the Firth of Forth ‘suicide corner’ after falling to Scots air aces – eight months ahead of ‘the big one’.
[snip]
The first exchange between the RAF and the Luftwaffe was on September 4, 1939, when a German Dornier Do 18 flying boat was engaged by an aircraft from RAF Leuchars. The first kill came on October 8, when another Do 18 was shot down by another Leuchars-based Lockheed Hudson from 224 Squadron while on patrol over the North Sea 20 miles off Aberdeen.

The war began in earnest on October 16 – some eight months before the Battle of Britain got under way – over the Firth of Forth when Spitfires of the 602 (City of Glasgow) and 603 (City of Edinburgh) Squadrons became the first British fighters to engage enemy raiders over the Scottish mainland, shooting down two Nazi fighters as astonished crowds watched from below.
[unquote]

See the whole story at:-

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/how-the-battle-of-britain-started-with-the-battle-of-scotland-1.1040497

or

http://tinyurl.com/3736qmv

Barney Boko(II) on 12-Jul-10 16:04:39

You'll also find the story in the Archives of The SCOTS MAGAZINE. I dont have a URL for it, tho.

:)

Mackie on 16-Jul-10 15:23:27

Thanks for all the info and web sites. I will pass on the web sites to my grandkids
and maybe they will get an idea of what it
was like to live in Dundee during WW2. Mackie

Doon the Toon on 17-Jul-10 02:56:50

Came across another link in my bookmarks, which pertain to "Dundee at war'.

http://www.dundee-at-war.net/index.htm

Mackie on 19-Jul-10 17:23:56
Thanks for the web site Doon. Very interesting, I never knew there were any
German spies caught in Dundee, (Jesse Wallace). Mackie

kenmore on 19-Aug-10 15:18:21
Just returned to this threed and did a little research and was surprised to discover that Aberdeen and its surrounds
actually was subject to more bombing than
the Dundee area. Never seemed to have been
too much reported for whatever reason.

TarryDan on 20-Aug-10 15:12:26

Mackie, if you are interested hearing about Jessie Jordon, here is a link to an STV piece on the subject.

Mary and John Curran were my mother and father-in-law and I have some copies of the original newspaper reports.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/tayside/120593-wwii-spycatchers-revealed-after-70-years/

Mackie on 24-Aug-10 19:58:26

Tarry Dan,
Thanks, I just accessed the web site and found it very interesting. I guess that Currans are deceased. What took the UK so long to recognize them? Were they given any medals? Thanks again. Mackie


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